Below I’ve included the summaries submitted by each group of their discussions for Module 4. Each group is to be commended for a great week of discussions. Groups will continue to share summaries of their interactions and conclusions reached during the final group discussion activities in Module 6. ~ Dr. J
Group 1
Members:
Kelly,
Megan,
Alissa,
Sandra,
Teresa
What is the most important design component in the 4C/ID model?
Group one exhibited three reactions initially to the 4C/ID model: one individual felt that all components were equal, one individual felt that JIT was the most important component, and three felt that the learning task was certainly the most important of the four. Crowe notes that the 4C/ID model is somewhat different from other models: 4C/ID focuses on the integration and coordinated performance of task-specific skills rather than knowledge types, context,or media delivery of presentations and the model makes a critical distinction between supportive information and JIT (Just in Time) information.
Cohorst succinctly states that “this first component is essential, because it is the foundation upon which the other design elements are centered around. The learning tasks are created to promote schema construction and also sequenced in such a way to be the backbone of any training or learning” (Van Merrienboer, Clark & Croock, 2002). However, Carrillo noted that JIT is really a part of all components because a learner must be given constant feedback. Crowe and Carrillo agreed that without just-in-time feedback/information a learner would always be a learner and not a master.
Although components 2, 3 and 4 are vital to effective complex learning, they are all centered around the “learning tasks”. Since the learning tasks could be seen as the goal or product of the blueprint for these other complex learning components, it seems to be the most important aspect of design.
In the end, everyone did agree that a learning task is the foundation of the whole design. All of us note in our responses that it is hard to separate these parts because all four components play such an important role in any kind of e-learning; Carrillo notes that all parts fit hand-in-glove and Ankenbrand noted that all the components interrelate.
Do you agree with Jochems, van Merrienboer, and Koper’s definition of “learning technologies”? Why, or Why not?
Our group cautiously agrees with the Jochems, van Merrienboer, and Koper definition of learning technologies: that they are a bridge between the design and the actual implementation of both the skills and the cognition of e-learning. I say “cautiously” because other factors, as noted by our group play an important role: involvement and motivation (Crowe), the instructor (Cohorst), and the objectives themselves (Ankenbrand).
References
Jochems, W., van Merriënboer, J., & Koper, R. (2004). Integrated E-Learning: Implications for Pedagogy, Technology and Organization (Open and Flexible Learning). New York: RoutledgeFalmer.
Van Merrienboer, J.J.G., Clark, R.E., & Croock, M.B. (2002). Blueprints for complex learning: the 4C/ID model. Educational Technology Research and Development, 50(2).
Group 2
Members:
Bruce,
Shari,
Jaquenette,
Mary,
Liz
Question 1: What would be the most important design component in the 4C/ID model?
In this module, we learned that the 4C/ID model is made up of four components: 1) learning tasks, 2) supportive information, 3) procedural information or just-in-time information, and 4) part-task practice. In order for learners to grasp complex learning, all four components are necessary (4C/ID – EduTech Wiki, 2009; (van Merrienboer, Clark, & de Croock, 2002).
We also learned that we were split when considering this question regarding the most important design component. Two members felt that the learning task itself was the most important. At its core, it is what makes this design process different considering the “whole-task” and the relationships between smaller task procedures. In addition, von Merrienboer and Kirschner (2008) cite that using this holistic approach resolves three common educational problems.
- Compartmentalization of learning; teaching knowledge, skills and attitudes separately
- Fragmentation of knowledge; not helping students understand the relationship between knowledge
- The transfer paradox: Using instructional methods that are efficient however not appropriate for the transfer of learning
Although the learning task is needed to learn, other members felt that the just in time information provides the building blocks needed to learn. The Just In Time component means just what it says, presenting a segment of information at the right time to help the learner to pull it all together so that it makes sense to him. In other words, you would not teach a young learner to read a micrometer that measures in thousands of an inch if he could not read a twelve inch ruler.
Also important, is the fact that learning tasks need to be ordered with the simplest tasks first, leading into more complex tasks. The model categorizes these tasks into “task classes” organized according to whether a task can be completed using the same information or whether more information or “elaboration” is needed to complete the task.
Even with the varying opinions, very valid points were made and the group would agree that all components are very important in complex learning.
Question 2: Do you agree with Jochems, van Merrienboer, and Koper’s definition on “learning technologies” on p. 7? Why or why not?
With the advancement of e-learning, educational communities are facing a new innovative approach to educational methods, approaches and competencies. With the advancement of technology, new educational opportunities are becoming available at work, at home and in education. Jochems, van Merrienboer and Koper, 2004 are discussing “how an integrated approach to e-learning can cope with the societal and technological changes and move in the direction of complex learning, high flexibility, and integration of learning and working” (p. 2). The authors concerns seem to be from the standpoint that technology is a useful tool but it should not be used just from a technological standpoint. The pedagogical methods and organizational methods of instruction should be considered first and the technologies that will enhance the pedagogical methods and organizational methods should then be chosen. The authors also discuss three approaches regarding the use of technology as follows: (p. 5-6)
- Technology in the lead, is arriving at solutions that are pedagogically poor and organizationally unmanageable, or simply too expensive.
- Pedagogy in the lead, risks delivering solutions that are technologically and organizationally poor, that is to say good ideas that cannot be implemented in the current techniques.
- Organization in the lead, frequently leads to pedagogically and technologically poor solutions.
The group overall agreed with the authors and their definition of learning technologies. Learning technologies do play an important role in education today – whether that education is face-to-face or online.
References
4C/ID – EduTech Wiki. (2009, April 20). Retrieved November 27, 2009, from EduTech Wiki: http://edutechwiki.unige.ch/en/4C/ID
Jochems, W., van Merrienboer, J., & Koper, R. (2004). Integrated e-learning: Implications for pedagogy, technology and organization. London: RoutledgeFalmer.
van Merrienboer, J. J., Clark, R. E., & de Croock, M. B. (2002). Blueprints for complex learning: The 4C/ID-model. Educational Technology Research and Development, 50(1), 39-64.
Group 3
Members:
Lisa,
Drew,
Zack,
Bob
What is the most important design component in the 4C/ID model?
The 4C/ID created by van Merrienboer is comprised of four components being learning tasks, supportive information, procedural (just-in-time) information, and part-task practice structured for the design on complex learning (Wikibooks, 2009). According to van Merrienboer, Clark, and Croock (2002), complex learning is “involved with achieving integrated sets of learning goals – multiple performance objectives” (p 40). The concept is that real-life task performance (the whole) is the main aspect with organizing learning skills (the parts) around achieving that task. This model takes care of three shortcomings in previous models (p 39):
- Focuses on the integration and coordinated performance of task-specific constituent skills rather than on knowledge types, context or presentation-delivery media
- Makes a critical distinction between supportive information and required just-in-time information
- Traditional models use either part-task or whole-task practice; the 4C/ID model recommends a mixture where part-task practice supports very complex , “whole-task” learning
Learning tasks (Component 1) are considered the backbone of the 4C/ID model. These can either be handled as real or simulated environments. A key aspect is that the sum of the tasks lead up to the whole task and should be structured as engaged learning activities versus studying about those skills. Learner support is the piece where scaffolding comes into play. The tasks are arranged or group with tasks with a group typically being of similar complexity. The tasks are scaffolded in a way that learner support diminishes as the learner progresses through that task group. Learner support is once again raised for the next task group and this pattern is repeated. The learner support is comprised of these four elements (p 45):
- Given state that the learner is confronted with
- Criteria for an acceptable goal state
- Sequence of operators that enable the transition from the given state to the goal state
- Problem-solving process
Supportive information (Component 2) is commonly referred to as “the theory.” It is considered the connecting bridge between what a learner already knows (experience) and the work that they must complete. Therefore it must include information that allows the learner to productively work on the task and be able to truly learn from the task. Important pieces of this component are mental models (how the world is organized), cognitive strategies (why it is organized in a way), and cognitive feedback (create reflection by the learner on their processing).
Just-in-time information (Component 3) is dealing with recurrent aspects of the series of tasks. This would be ways it relates to different problem situations. A term called fading is applied with JIT information where it is reduced as the learner achieves more expertise in the learning process. JIT incorporates information displays (small amounts of information to prevent overload), demonstrations and instances (allows seeing the current skill within the whole-task), and corrective feedback (immediate right-wrong response).
Part-task practice (Component 4) is necessary when a “high level of automaticity of particular recurrent aspects is required.” This is when the learning tasks themselves aren’t enough practice to support the learning. This includes practice items (practice makes perfect idea), JIT information for part-task practice (accurate performance of a recurrent task), and overtraining (extensive training to make task automatic).
Having one set component within our group was not easy on this one. Zack was partial to learning tasks and Lisa was partial to supportive information being the most important. Lastly, Bob viewed it more from the point that the pieces (listed components) are not enough individually but the whole is what was important meaning that the unmentioned component of balance between those four main components is the most important. We could see each other’s views and relate to the reasoning. Below are the specifics on the first two options of learning tasks and supportive information.
Seeing as the 4C/ID model begins with concrete, authentic tasks designed to construct schema that enable learners to apply the learning to new scenarios, I vote for “learning tasks” as the most important design component. Learning tasks are those things that are most essential, for example, “How to create a lesson plan” is a whole task that can be taken in many pieces, some of which can be dealt with by stressing automaticity (your plan needs to include standards, goals, rationale, and outlines of lessons, etc…) and others that fit the non-recurrent aspects (while structure of individual lessons is relatively recurrent, the actual content is case-specific, or non-recurrent). The other elements are very important; you wouldn’t get far without connecting new learning to some existing schema; but without the overall context of a given task it would be very difficult to do anything meaningful with it.
As Merrienboer, Clark & Croock (2002) stated, “supportive information provides the bridge between what learners already know and their work on the learning tasks” (p.46). Bridging what the learner already knows and being able to provide support that will allow them to apply to another task or build upon that knowledge is the goal. Supportive information helps students develop and connect the new and old knowledge together to provide a better over all understanding. To help build the new relationships this component uses mental models, cognitive strategies, and Cognitive feedback.
References
Instructional Technology/Models of Instructional Design. (2009). In Wikibooks, collection of open-content textbooks. Retrieved November 29, 2009, from http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Instructional_Technology/Models_of_Instructional_Design
Merrienboer, J. J. G., Clark, R. E., & Croock, M. B. (2002), Blueprints for Complex Learning: The 4C/ID Model. Educational Technology Research and Development. 50(2).
Do you agree with Jochems, van Merrienboer, and Koper’s definition of “learning technologies” on page 7? Why, or why not?
Jochems, van Merrienboer, and Koper (2004, p 7) stated that learning technologies “can be considered as a means of formalizing pedagogical and organizational thinking in such a way that it can be implemented in a technical solution.” They really are speaking more on the approach to eLearning by the balance between (learning) technology, pedagogy, and organization. Glynn (2001) presented on technology relating to pedagogy. He summarized similar ideas clearly distinguishing the valuable role it plays with its needs to be used appropriately (speaking to organization and instructional design) and that pedagogy is supported by its use. This goes directly into ideas presented by Jochems, van Merrienboer, and Koper (2004) where they present the balance between pedagogy, technology, and organization and provided this pictorial representation.

They further state that “the development and use of learning technologies” can allow for higher levels of pedagogical implementations and efficiency within the organization while allowing for greater interoperability with respect to technical aspects.
In our opinion, Jochems, W., van Merrienboer, J. & Koper, R. (2004) took a “systems” approach to the definition of learning technology which seems to place such tools in the hands of designers more so than learners. Our default perspective is that of a learner, so my initial thoughts on the definition of learning technologies lean more towards something that learners directly use to assist in learning. We don’t so much disagree with them as question their seemingly narrow definition. History has taught me to be weary of narrowly defined concepts in a field full of unknowns (The Earth is the center of the universe). There was also the feeling of negativity around the concept base with their use of “So-Called” to begin the discussion. Overall they did fall into line with one theme we have heard before, pedagogy then technology. In this respect, they focused on learning technology must always be implemented with thought and consideration to organization and pedagogy.
References
Glynn, G. (2001, July 8). What is the Role of Technology in Pedagogy. Retrieved on November 29, 2009 from http://gaps.cpb.ouhsc.edu/ebir/meeting/talks01/GG.ppt
Jochems, W., van Merrienboer, J. & Koper, R. (2004). An introduction to integrated e-learning. In Wim Jochems, Jeroen van Merrienboer, & Rob Keper (Eds.) Integrated E-Learning: Implications for pedagogy, technology and organization (p. 1-12): Routledge Falmer.